February 7, 2010

Is It Cheating? Poll About Online Cheaters. What Do You Think?

Guys and Girls are sending flirty texts, friending their exes on Facebook, getting super close to that girl at work. When does his behavior (and yours) cross the line into not-cool territory? I polled some readers here and man, did you have opinions!

Take a look at the Facebook Cheating Results

Sad but true: People have always cheated (just take a look at Mad Men — or the Bible). But throw in e-mail, text messaging and Facebook, and these days you have a lot more opportunities to cheat, plus even more confusion about what cheating actually is. I wanted to take the mystery out of the equation, asking women to contribute their most intimate — and iffy — might’ve-been-cheating stories so readers could vote on what crosses the line. Read on, but don’t be surprised if you end up feeling some old-fashioned moral outrage!

Editor’s note: Some names have been changed to protect the innocent (and not-so-innocent).


Is it cheating if the relationship isn’t official?
“When I was in college, I dated a guy for two years who said he wasn’t comfortable with the ‘boyfriend’ label. Among friends, I called him my ‘significant other,’ but when I was with him, I just went with the flow and assumed we were exclusive. He was the first guy I slept with, the first I brought home to my parents, the one I spent every holiday and birthday with. Then he started fooling around with my best friend’s roommate, and a month later they were a couple. I confronted him, and he said he didn’t think we were officially ‘together,’ so it wasn’t cheating. He also felt justified because she and I weren’t close friends! Everybody knew but me — that’s what hurt the most.” -Nicole, 22, New York City

“This has ‘He’s Just Not That Into You’ written all over it. I’d never continue dating someone who couldn’t verbally commit to me in the first place. He may have cheated, but she should have confronted him much earlier.” -Kimberly, 25, Milwaukee

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Is it cheating to go on a “pseudodate”?
“Once, I was seated next to a handsome stranger on a plane. He’d been bumped from first class, where he usually sat, which is why he was flying coach. Turned out he was a famous agent, owned a fabulous art collection, was smart and funny, and, to top it all off, he was single. (I’d been dating someone for five years.) When we landed, he asked for my number and called me at my hotel that very night, inviting me to a private party for one of my favorite actors. As we worked the room, I pictured the fabulous life I could have with him. I’d be rich and connected. I’d be taken care of, for once (my boyfriend is a musician). But in the end, I felt too guilty to continue the ‘relationship,’ and stopped returning his calls.” -Diana, 32, Los Angeles

“It’s not cheating. Believe me, men do this all the time. Sometimes a little flirtation with a stranger helps keep the relationship alive — or makes you realize you should end it.” -Krista, 43, Pelham, N.Y.

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Is it cheating if you just sleep in the same bed?
“When I was a senior in college, I had a boyfriend of three years, but sometimes my friend Nate would come over and spend the night … in my bed. We never hooked up or even really touched; we just talked and fell asleep next to each other. One parents’ weekend, my dad caught us in bed together and asked me if I was going to tell my boyfriend about it. I said no, because I didn’t think it was cheating.” -Jessica, 26, Boston

“I’d say this is cheating only if she was being secretive about it. My wife used to chat on Facebook with her ex-boyfriend and when I walked into the room she would quickly close it or hide the chat. Not cool.
My general rule is that if it’s something you would absolutely not be comfortable with your significant other knowing, you’ve crossed some sort of line.”

Friends Only Sleeping Together Wrong?

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Is a girl kissing another straight girl cheating?
“I’d been dating my boyfriend for a year and a half when I flew to L.A. to go to a girlfriend’s bachelorette party. We got dressed up, rented a limo and went out to a bunch of bars. Along the way, we picked up a few guys, who later bought us tons of drinks. As we got more and more drunk, the girls got flirtier with each other, and the guys were egging us on. Before I knew it, I was lip-locked with a girl in the back of the limo — for a while! At the time I didn’t think it was a big deal, but when I saw my boyfriend back in Chicago, I felt really bad. Even though he’d often joked that he found it hot when women made out with each other, I decided not to tell him about the wild night I’d had.” -Jennifer, 32, Chicago

“I think the media puts so much focus on how hot it is for girls to kiss — and how much it turns guys on to watch two girls together — that women are now much more curious than they used to be. Add alcohol, peer pressure and the freedom of being in a different town, and mistakes happen. That said, I think she was probably right to keep it to herself. Coming clean would have been more for her benefit than his.” -Jennifer 36, Oregon City, Ore.

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Is it cheating to exchange steamy Facebook messages?
“Out with friends one night, I met a cute guy who was wearing a wedding ring. We hit it off, and eventually everyone left the bar except us — and that’s when we admitted our attraction to each other. He said he’d been married less than a year. When we left the bar, I gave him a sad goodbye kiss on the mouth. Four days later he sent me a message on Facebook, and for a week, he sent me beautiful love messages. He said his feelings were too intense to ignore. I broke it off — I knew I couldn’t survive it, emotionally. Then he sent me a CD full of the most stunning songs, which I listened to twice, crying. After that, I put it away and never made contact with him again!” -Regina, 32, New York City

“The kiss, sexy talk, messages and music are crossing the line. People like to play the ‘technical’ game too much when it comes to cheating. It’s all about intention. Being attracted to someone else is natural — but if your intentions with that person mirror the ones for your significant other, you have a problem.” -Tivi Jones, 24, Durham, N.C.

Flirty Text Messages on Facebook Cheating?

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Is it cheating to have a ‘work spouse’?
“There’s a guy at work who’s my best friend: We talk about everything from work to sex to the future. We go out to lunch, sit side by side in meetings and sometimes even work out together! We’re attracted to each other and have joked about hooking up — and I think he actually would — but I’ve never given him the opportunity to cross that line. He’s married with children! I do have a boyfriend, and he’s everything to me, but he lives across the country and loves his job — so until he’s ready to move east, I need someone I can bond with on a daily basis.” -Susan, 36, Philadelphia

“Whether or not this is technically cheating, she’s playing with fire, especially since they’ve talked about having sex. It’s clear she’s getting some kind of sexual charge out of it. She needs to call her boyfriend and break it off, and then dump the married buddy, too.” -Penny, 26, Mobile, Ala.

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Is getting a private dance at a strip club cheating?
“My boyfriend and I have a great, honest and, in my humble opinion, sexually satisfying relationship. Recently when he went to a bachelor party, I joked about him getting lap dances, and he said he wouldn’t. It wasn’t like I forbade him — he said he just wasn’t into that stuff. When he got home, I made a crack about the lap dance and could tell by the look on his face that he’d had one. I was pretty devastated. He didn’t understand why I was so angry, since it was ‘normal’ bachelor-party behavior. It wasn’t that he got the lap dance (though it’s not an image I’ve enjoyed having in my head); it’s that he said he wouldn’t — and did it anyway.” -Jenny, 34, Portland, Ore.

“Normally, having another woman on your lap is cheating. But a stripper at a bachelor party is a gray area. He told the truth; if she wants his continued honesty, she’d better get past it.” -Pamela Weiss, 23, Los Angeles


Is it cheating if your boyfriend fools around with his gay best friend?
“Several years ago I was in a long-term relationship. My boyfriend had a close gay friend who was obviously in love with him. One night my boyfriend came home wasted and mentioned, as if it were no big deal, that he’d let his friend go down on him. He said the guy begged him all the time, and that since he was drunk and didn’t really care, he’d let him. He couldn’t believe I was upset! He said he was doing it just to be nice, to ‘throw the dog a bone,’ and that his former girlfriend had been fine when he’d done it before. We had a huge fight about it. He thought I was being uptight, but promised that he’d never do it again. I forbade him to see his friend, and as far as I know, he only saw him a couple more times while we were together.” -Joy, 28, Las Vegas

“Frankly, I would question if my boyfriend were gay or curious. And getting a blow job from someone who’s not your girlfriend is cheating; gay friend, mother, dog — it’s still cheating.” -Katie, 26, San Francisco


Friended his ex on Facebook
“Facebook is a neutral tool that can be used for innocent or guilty purposes,” says J.M. Kearns, author of the new book ‘Better Love Next Time.’ “If he’s talking to an ex through the public forums, he may just be keeping in touch.” But if he’s only using the site’s private forums, that could be a different story. Kearns advises having a talk with your boyfriend to set boundaries for his online behavior — and for yours.

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Kissed another girl while drunk
“If he’s confessed to you, it’s a good sign,” says Kearns. “You should certainly give him a hard time, but it’s not always a symbol of the demise of your relationship.” Finding out that he initiated the kiss — or has done this sort of thing before — is serious. “If he seems to go out prowling, then worry.” That said, Kearns advises against panicking about isolated incidents: “If there’s no pattern, it might not have greater meaning.”

Is very close to a woman at work
Tell him you’d like to get to know her, too. “He should be able to share his platonic friend with you,” says Kearns. Be concerned at any signs of resistance. “If she’s actually an important fixture in his life, then why wouldn’t he want the three of you to spend time together?”

Sexted someone else
When your boyfriend is having a covert relationship like this, it’s definitely a cause for concern. “People love the secretive nature of text messaging. If he’s texting a girl in a steamy way, it means he’s taking the possibility of a relationship seriously,” says Kearns. “She’s in his life — not just some random girl at a bar — and he’s taking the first steps toward having an affair with her.”

Straight up! If you can’t tell your boyfriend, girlfriend, husband or wife what you did or what you are doing then it’s cheating. In my opinion of course.

Comments

  • JR

    July 13, 2010 at 8:35 am

    Interestingly, all the questions above ask if the offending behavior is “cheating,” but fail to consider the bigger issue of whether the behavior at issue is disrespectful towards their significant other. If your relationship is based solely on the premise that “I can do whatever I want, so long as I don’t cheat” (whatever that imaginary line is), I think your doomed for failure. Your behavior towards your significant other has to be better than simply what constitutes an ultimate betrayal. Take the advice that most of us were given as children – treat others as you would want to be treated. In the instant case, the question would then be: if the roles were reversed and my significant other was doing what I am doing, would I have a problem with it? For instance, would the guy who got a lap dance during a bachelor party have a problem with his girlfriend getting a lap dance from a male stripper at a bachelorette party?

    • Jay

      July 24, 2010 at 12:46 pm

      Amen.

      • JP

        August 4, 2010 at 11:58 am

        Well said.

  • David

    July 15, 2010 at 4:27 am

    The idea of monogamy or exclusive relationships is only a recent phenomenon (500 yrs or so), certainly stemming from religious Western beliefs.

    Unfortunately Western Society has convalesced around a family of husband wife and children, which is against our genetic and anthropological makeup. Marriage was only for procreation and men and women participated in sexual congress if they liked each other.
    Happier societies around the world are polygamous and polyandrous with children raised by a commune.

    Guilt is also a self imposed neurosis stemming from repressive beliefs.

    • David

      July 15, 2010 at 2:40 pm

      Pardon me? Lol

      You did not just say that…Lol

      I’ll quote you…”Unfortunately Western Society has convalesced around a family of husband wife and children, which is against our genetic and anthropological makeup”.

      Why “unfortunately”? It’s unfortunate that we center our lives around marriage and family?
      What a choice of words.

      Guilt is a feeling that creeps up when you know you’ve done something wrong.
      Just because you may develope a sexual attraction for someone other then your spouse, does not mean it has to be acted upon.
      Most people actually want a respectful and true partner. Men and women alike.
      Both must want the same thing going into the relationship. Anytime one or the other strays, there is usually never a good outcome.
      so, if there isn’t a good outcome, then how can this pratice be normal or good?
      How can it be against our genetic makeup?
      I dont care who it is, everyone wants to be loved and cherished by someone. Everyone wants to have that great relationship.
      A solid relationship is a phenomenon? Lol
      Hillarious.
      More rare perhaps but entirely possible.

      • rachel

        July 16, 2010 at 5:47 pm

        i think david #1 is referring to a much larger picture of humanity than you are used to thinking about, david #2. he is looking at things in a very anthropological way, whereas you are seeing through the “goggles” so to speak of your upbringing and the culture and experiences you have grown up in. when you don’t know any different it is hard to see how anything else could possibly be good or right, i suppose.

        i understand what he is getting at, and in a way you are further proving his point.

        interesting stuff, this whole being-a-person thing is.

      • Jay

        July 24, 2010 at 1:52 pm

        On the topic of guilt in relationships. Guilt is when you know you’ve done something that’s against the values of your partner.

        “Guilt is also a self imposed neurosis stemming from repressive beliefs.” – David#1

        If you *chose* a relationship and you don’t feel guilty for violating the beliefs and values of your partner then there is a problem.

        This is more about having respect for another human being. If you both find it okay for casual flings that’s fine. But don’t agree to be in a relationship while you behave otherwise and expect it to be okay.

    • Mike

      July 25, 2010 at 11:14 pm

      1# (David #1)Not only is monogamy NOT a phenomenon, the practice of marriage is biblical. You were to be true to your vows you took before God.

      2# I can see where you (David #1) would say genetics would play into a man or woman cheating but do you have to act upon thoughs urges? Hell, Im married not dead. I still look. Its in all humans to sin, but also in all humans to make the choice to honor his or her vows.

  • turnerBroadcasting

    July 15, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Facebook and other online tools are an ideal mechanism for sexy people to meet each other. As long as they are so sexy or attractive that they need to meet, flirt and connect …

    as long as you do it completely without your body. That’s what the internet is all about – its all anonymous.

    The best bet for meeting someone is to do it in real life.

  • Mike

    July 25, 2010 at 11:15 pm

    oops, wrong thoughs *those*

  • Raelian

    July 26, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Cheating is a myth. We don’t “cheat” on each other. Humans were not genetically engineered to be faithful to one person their entire lives. As we go through life, our likes and interests change. So why shouldn’t that include our relationships with people?

    What is the origin of marriage. What is its purpose? Think about it – it doesn’t make any sense. If your current partner cheats on you, you should be happy. Yes, happy! Why, because your partner is happy. That’s true love. Unfortunately, our society doesn’t not truly understand the concept of love. Love isn’t sexual or an attraction. It’s about doing for others without asking anything in return, putting other’s happiness before yours. With this model, marriage doesn’t make sense.

    Marriage and monogamous relationships will soon end. It’s just the way is. Now don’t be alarmed if you find a co-worker attractive and you are married. Don’t suppress it — you weren’t engineered for it. Enjoy it, tell your partner! And if they truly love you, they will be happy for you! It’s that simple.

    Good luck, Earthlings. May you one day understand your purpose and origin.

  • Vinja

    August 20, 2010 at 8:24 am

    the wrong assumption some comments here base upon, is that monogamy is relatively “new”, historically unbased. this is simply false – christianity is monogamous from its start, as well as Judaism before it. Throughout known history monogamy has been the only, or one of the forms of male-female behavior. Even with polygamy, (i.e Islam) there was (and is) a firm set of rules, which was a result of cultural and historical needs.

    Lastly, i’d like to point out that humans were “engineered” also to kill each other, die in late 20′s (if not sooner killed), use brute force to dominate others (especially females, to rape them) etc. Point is – not every urge is good to be followed.

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